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King’s X dUg Pinnick Interview
Lets get the cliche questions out of the way first. Your new album Three Sides of One comes out Sept 2. To me it sound like a bit of a stripped down sound, with no big studio tricks. I might even dare to say I hear a hint of some grunge era sound in there. What say you?
We went back to the 70s. That’s were we come from and we just went home with it. We did what was totally comfortable with us, it’s what we love do and how we love to do it.

The opening track “Let It Rain”, I let me 16 year old kid listen to it in the car the other day and he said it sounding like it was the soundtrack for the scene in a movie when the cool kid pulls up in his vintage sports car with the dust flying and the low camera angle shows his boot stepping out onto the ground with the school or wherever he is going out of focus in the background. I thought that was an awesome description.
It is! Love that reaction. I’m 72 years old and I don’t fell like anybody under 50 listens to us. I’ve been finding a lot of young kids who listen to us, which surprises me.
Yeah, its like the whole Metallica thing with the show Stranger Things. I’m sure your aware of that. You now have 15 years old kids wearing Master of Puppet shirts.
[Laughing] Yeah, Yeah. You know kids are always discovering or rediscovering things and make it their own.
There are some lyrics on the new album, and I don’t know if you wrote them or if was Ty or Jerry, but they go “Everybody wants their rights, everybody wants to fight”. Is that a commentary on your own life or is that more of a broad stroke?
That is a WIDE, WIIIIDE, WIDE stroke. Its like I’m sitting down talking to a friend and we look at the state of the world or the news is on. I go you know what we need is a flood. Then everybody chuckles and you keep going. But that’s all it is. I’m making light of a dire situation. Sometimes there is noting we can do, but look at it. Go to work the next day and pick up our kids from school.

You mentioned the flood, and knowing your background, I hear a bunch of those key or buzz words from the evangelical or religious world.
I love using those words. It confuses people.
I pick up on those. I grew up in a non-denominational church and when I’m listening to you and think “What did he just say?” I know what that means.
I look at it this way. There is all this wisdom in the writings that you find. People say “Well what did Confucius say or other scholars say?” Well what did Jesus say? I just throw it out there as part of the conversion as what I see as a writing or wise saying. And then the funny thing is, if I do a Jesus quote all of a sudden I’m a Christian. I can do a quote from everybody and nobody says a word. And that’s why I do it, because they don’t understand. They don’t get it. It’s not about religion, it’s not about politics. Its about why can’t we let each other live our lives and to come together to stop this world from falling apart.
I believe I heard you say in a recent interview that you thought the pandemic was kind of a reset. It made people stop and look at things differently.
It seemed that way around a lot of people I know. I mean I hang out with mostly musicians. We all had to sit around at home and think “What the fuck am I doing?” I think it was a good thing for a lot of people. People got closer together, people got to know their kids, and well, some got divorced. There was all kinds of good and bad stuff. I mean, people were killing each other, drinking too much, and doing drugs. But… What I’m saying is it stopped everybody in their tracks. Like I say, “this runaway train ain’t slowing down.” It literally stopped everybody for a second. We needed a reset. I don’t know how good the reset was [laughing] but it was a gear change.
Me personally, I’m at home all the time anyway. I’m always writing. I’ve been doing this most of my life. I don’t have a day gig. I haven’t had one since I was in my 20s. So what I do, I can pay my bills with. So I just stay home hang out and write music. I do what I want to. The pandemic didn’t really do anything to me, but make me realize that I do like being alone. And do like not going out [laughing].
You have an excuse now.
Yeah! People go “come on over and hang out.” I’m like “Nah…. I’m just enjoying begin with me.” I don’t have to worry about other people’s emotions. Maybe its selfish. I don’t know. You know you share you life with people for so long that every once in a while you just gotta stop and take care of yourself and refill. That’s what it did for me. It helped me fill back up, so I can spew it back out again.



In your answer you touched on several other questions I was going to ask you. One was about day jobs. What jobs did you have growing up and what were they like?
Oh, man. I remember when I was seventeen, I got a job. It was a summer job. I was an office runner. Basically, I sat at a desk and every now and then I took papers to someone somewhere else. It was one of those thing for the poor kids who needed jobs. You know, the poor black kids. So I got that and it lasted for the summer.
The next job I got was at a factory. They has these sheets of insulation for cars and came out of this roller. They would be stamped and you would have to punch out the stamped holes where the knobs for the car would be. You just stood there for eight hours. I did that for three weeks and quit. It was an assembly line and was just horrible.
I got another job they had me putting tops on aerosol cans. So this thing would go by and I would just keep putting them on. I remember sleeping at night and doing it in my sleep. That also lasted about three months.
I’ll tell you, back in the 60s when I grew up, there was a lot of prejudice. Underlying prejudice. One thing that was always said was that a black person can’t keep a job for any longer than a year. It was a way of saying we were lazy. In my community it was a goal of ours to keep a job at least a year. So I got a job in shipping receiving at this place when I was 27. I kept it for a year, and then quit. I have never had a job since [laughing].
Oh, I did have one other job, I worked at a daycare. I cooked for these kids. I loved these kids. They wanted me to be their dad. It was so sad. There mom or dad would drop them off and some of them would cry cause they parents were getting a divorce. They would go “will you be my daddy?” They would break my heart, On my God I loved them,bu tit was just terrible for me to hear.
But anyway, after that I never done [that again]. Its either do or die. If I only made fifteen bucks, I bough/made spaghetti dinner for everybody and slept on the floor.

You mentioned you cooked at the daycare. I was going to ask you what was the best meal you have ever had?
You will just have to come to a Pinnick family reunion. You will have some food that you have never tasted and it’ss amazing. What my family can cook is the best cooking ever, as far as I’m concerned. At least five times in the career of King’s X we were in the Chicago area when there was a family reunion, or we had a day off and we could go to my mom’s house. We would roll up the bus to my mom’s house and she would cook a Thanksgiving dinner for the everybody. The road crew, the opening band, everybody. They will tell you, it was the best food they had ever eaten.
I think she kind of planned it. She knew you tour schedule.
No. I never planned it. Maybe somebody in the tour did it. I guess I need to thank him… Oh, I’m so full of myself. I never thought of that. I just thought it was a coincidence. Daaarrr, Unbelievable, I am. On my God.
I know your friends with Charlie Benante of Anthrax and as you know he is sitting in for the late Vinnie Paul for Pantera reunion or tribute. Do you have any thoughts on that?
No. Everybody asks me that, and everybody is talking about it. Here is my take. It’s nobody’s fucking business what anybody thinks. They should do what they want. I wasn’t in the meeting when they talked about it. I haven’t talked to any of the guys from any of those camps about it and they are all my friends. As far as I’m concerned, when they come to L.A. I will go. I would love to see them, they are my friends. Other than that, no comment, because I feel like I have no right to say anything.

Aside from tour, I understand that you were also friends with Dime and that you were one of many lucky ones that would get 3am phone calls from him. Can you share some of those?
Yeaaaah. Oh My God. The phone would ring and it’s like four in the morning. I would here “This is dUg, leave a message.” [In drunken slurred voice] “Dug this is Dime, and we drunk as fuck… and we riddin’ down the highway. We wanna sing a song for ya. Everybody! Listen to us dUg!” Then you hear the whole bus going “…can’t be bought better..” they could never get past better. Then they would all start howling like wolfs. Just WAAOOOO, WAAAAOOOOOO! Just yellin’ Then he would hang up. Then in a few minutes call back. “dUg, dUg. We got it… we gonna do it. We got it right this time.” And they would try, but they never could finish it. I would not answer the phone just to hear that.
That’s just one of the many, many stories of Dime that all of us could tell. He was just one of those characters.
I know one thing for sure there a lot of young one in like their twenties that are going to get to experience at least a millisecond or a piece of what we all lived through. They just don’t know yet.
Just a few nights ago, I covered the Anthrax show with Black Label and Hatebreed. I was there doing photography. But at the end of their set Anthrax does part of the Pantera song “Domination”. It was kind of surreal as Scott hits that first cord the place got quite for a second and there was a crazy energy. It insane to think that is going to be happening all over the country in a few months.
I’ve heard. That’s going to be a big deal. I haven’t really talked to anybody from that camp in a while. I’m curious, but that just because I’m a friend and I love them. I mean, I’ve watched those guys go through everything. I’ve talked to them when they weren’t speaking to each other. They were like “What he say about me?” “What did they say about me?” [laughing] And I’m just like “nah. nah, nah.” I would plead the fifth.
I look back and kinda wish I could have maybe been a mediator way back in those low points. But I didn’t know any better either.

Looking back and having guys like Dime and many other praising your early albums like Gretchen, Faith Hope, Love, and even Out of the Silent Planet, how does it make you feel that those works are so respected three and four decades later?
For me, it’s still a surprise even thought it shouldn’t be. I should stop being surprised by it. Does that make any sense? You know I’ve watch people cry when I sing my whole life, so when someone says, “What is it like now”. You know, it still kinda baffles me that these things happen and I’m still kinda surprised. You know, my whole life has been that way. I have had a great life. The ups and the downs. It has been a great adventure and I look forward to the rest of it. In a way it has grounded me and it helps me accept the things I can’t change and see the things that I have accomplished.
Basically, We hate ourselves, don’t we? I have learned to love myself in some capacity, were I’m OK now. I’ve stopped beating myself up 24 hours a day. Maybe it’s an hour a day now. Periodically I’ll go on a binge and hate myself all day. But I’m at the point where I can go “You’re not that bad.” You kinda want to believe these good things [about yourself]. Its things you always wanted to hear, so listen and be happy about it. Stop trying to discredit yourself when somebody gives you all the credit. So, it’s a battle. A 24 hour battle of look what you’ve accomplished verses what you haven’t. It’s like having a mom who says “You are the greatest thing since sliced bread.” And having a dad that goes “Whatever.”
Keeping the same vein of looking back, I’ve heard rumblings a while back that you are working on a retrospective documentary about the band.
Yeeeeeaahh! OOOh My God. Its almost done. Roy Turner actually showed us a tiny clip and it made me cry. It was only a minute. This guy had an uncanny ability to bring your into something emotionally with lights and cameras and the way people talk. He is really good. I can’t wait to see it all and how it all turns out. He basically wants people to see what we have done through our whole career. From where we started to where we are at and that we are still here. He wants people to understand the depth of the three of us. Not only as what we produce, but as real people. He has got a lot of people in there that get to share their opinion. Which is really, really cool. I like that. I think it’s going to be pretty cool.
The camera work is really good. There is this one scene, he took a drone and flew it up this mountain, all the way down into the studio all the way to the sound board. It was just so cool and as it goes the music get louder and louder. That is the kind of stuff [he is doing]. It’s going to be fun.
I don’t know if he is going to use that scene or not, but if so, I’ve just blown it.
I cant wait to see it.
I have some more silly kind of questions for you.
Ok. Sure.
Do you have any pets, and if so what?
No. No, I can’t deal with pets. Because I feel things to much. Animals…ummm… I can’t stop the energy that I feel from them, so I can concentrate on myself. I am one of those very sensitive people. Sometimes it drives me crazy. If a dog is in the next room, I’ll have to go see if it’s OK. It will look at me and all of a sudden I’m think, “What are you thinking, what do you want, whats wrong?” Then I start to just focus on the dog and I can’t get anything done. I’m like that with everything. My plants are the same way. I go and talk to them, I tell them I’m sorry when I don’t water them. I hug my tree. I walk barefoot on the ground. I can feel the difference on the ground between Los Angeles, Chicago, and Texas. When I take my shoes off I can feel the vibration is slightly different. All that shit I go through.
For me being alone is good because the only noise I have is made by me. On the other hand, I like going out among the world. It’s just overwhelming sometimes, because I can feel so much.

Its truly nice to be able to turn it off or do your own thing when you want to or need to.
Well, the pandemic taught me that also. I didn’t know I could turn it off, I didn’t know I could leave and stop for a while and give myself a break. I would just drain myself and drain myself, cause I wanted to be there give my attention to whoever was there and needed it. I would pout it [out] and pour it [out]. I was always exhausted, and tired, and frustrated too, especially. There are people who will just drain you, just to drain you. You’re not really helping them. They just need your attention. The pandemic has really shown me all the traps that have trapped me most of my life. Even with my mother passing away, and some of the things I felt in that. It’s all what it is. I put it into music. Wrote a song. Wanna hear it? Here goes. [laughing]
I can totally relate for where you are coming from. For years I did tons of freelance design work, along with a full time job, ran this website and magazine, did other music stuff, had a band and also was a single dad. And..
Geeeze.. I just have to interrupt… SINGLE dad. On My God. You know something? I just have to say one thing. I have to give you 100% credit. I admire you. It’s hard enough for two people to raise a kid, but to do it as a dad… Bless you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Through all those things, I have taught myself to say no to people. It’s nothing personal or anything like that, its just I already have 49 things going on, so it just has to be a no.
Exactly, Exactly.
I did want to ask you before we wrap up is about an upcoming tour. I see you have a handful of dates scheduled in Texas and I think Tenseness. Is there any plans for more dates after the release or in the new year?
Yeah, well what you see is what we have now. We are just beginning to figure it our. When we are gonna do it, and how we are gonna do it.
US Tour Dates
28 July – Gramercy Theatre, NYC, NY, USA
29 July – Sellersville Theatre, Sellersville, PA, USA
30 July – Spyglass Ridge Winery, Sunbury, PA, USA
19 October ・ Amos・ Southend, Charlotte, NC, USA
20 October ・ The Concourse, Knoxville, TN, USA
21 October ・ The Forum, Hazard, KY, USA
23 October ・ Brooklyn Bowl, Nashville, TN, USA
25 October ・ The Howlin・ Wolf, New Orleans, LA, USA
23 November ・ Trees, Dallas, TX, USA
25 November ・ Come and Take It Live, Austin, TX, USA
26 November ・ Warehouse Live, Houston, TX, USA
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Inferious—Interview
by Josh Drespling
I was at Preserving Underground to cover Filth and Resistor. I was all set with my photo pass and cameras at the ready. And then this young band exploded onto the stage. No grand entrance, no intro music, no flashy lights—just a wall of noise from the first guitar chord and a guttural growl that seemed to come from somewhere below the floorboards. I was blown away. Thoroughly impressed.
This band was Inferious, out of Dayton, Ohio. If you look up the word “inferious,” most dictionaries will tell you it means something low-status, submissive, or fit for sacrifice. But this Ohio metalcore outfit Inferious has spent the last several years proving that definition couldn’t be more wrong. Tonight in the basement of a converted church, Inferious delivered raw, sweat-soaked fury to all who were smart enough to show up early.
Before their set was even half over, I made up my mind that I had to talk to them and let our readers know about this band. Here is how it went:



Empire: This was the first time I have ever seen you guys. I’ve heard your name before but never had the chance to listen. The show tonight was freaking awesome. I loved it from the first few notes. The vocals and the guitar tone just hit ya right in the chest.
Since I am a new fan, can you give me the nickel tour of how you came together and I understand you are from Dayton, Ohio.
Shaun O’Shaughnessy – Guitarist: I live in Dayton, and the original band members all formed in Dayton, but it was kind of a collage of multiple band folks. People from the southwest Ohio area. Gabe [McQueen – vocals] and I were there at the beginning, and then through some line-up changes, this is our current and most solid touring line-up so far with Cody and Kyle. They also are from the area and have been in several bands. So they were always in the same circles, at the same shows, talking to the same people. It all worked out one day.
Empire: Given that, it seems like there is a healthy music scene in Dayton. Are there any good clubs, any fields to play in?
Shaun: It’s hard to say Dayton, Ohio, specifically so much as just southwest Ohio because of the way that Dayton, Columbus, and Cincinnati form like a little triangle. You’re only an hour apart from each other. So we can get into that larger music scene pretty easily. So Dayton itself has venues, but the whole collective area has stuff. There’s some house venues, like Gnome House, there’s Bob’s, but then Cincinnati has Madison Live, and Design Collective [DSGN CLLCTV] was doing shows for a while, but I think they got in trouble.
Cody: Yeah, it some code stuff.
Empire: I think there are a couple decent places in Akron, and even across the border is Huntington, WV?
Shaun: Yeah, that area still does have sick stuff. It’s just farther away from our personal local scene. Cleveland is kind of separate from us too.
Cody: That’s not necessarily our scene, but there is such a good underground local scene from the Huntington / Athens / Charleston area. Shout to Feverwar.
Shaun: We were just at the Grog Shop [outside Cleveland].
Cody: We were at the New Foundry not too long ago.
Empire: Oh, yeah, like upstairs?
Shaun: No, it is Foundry’s new location.
Empire: I’ve not been there.
Shaun: It looks basically like the old one, but it’s new.

Empire: You mentioned the Grog Shop. Were you guys there with Filth and Resistor?
Shaun: Yeah, we’ve been on tour with Filth and Resistor. The first half of the tour had Two-Piece on it; we missed them, but now Mono’s [Monochromatic Black] on for the second half, and they’re homies.
Gabe and I toured with them in Inferious a couple years ago with band called AMTAE, and Monochromatic Black. So, those are long-time homies as well. So, we’ve known Tanya [Elizabeth (Beickert) – Vocals] and Eddie [DeCesare – Drums] for a long time, and Pierce [Akers – Guitar] is our new best friend as well.
Empire: So, it’s just like a big hang for you guys.
Shaun: Yeah, all the homies are back. We’ve toured with Filth before too; we were out with them on the Oceano tour, and then actually a year ago, I think like right now, like today a year ago, we toured with Filth also. So, it’s Filth and Oceano, and then Filth again.
So, it’s been fun to have a full circle of friend hangs, and every night’s been sick. The show turnouts have been amazing, and then just hanging out with all our friends has been amazing.
Empire: That’s part of what makes it fun. Whether you have 50 people or 1000, you have that camaraderie and shared experience.



Empire: So do you currently have an album out? Where do you guys stand with that?
Gabe: We have music out everywhere, on all music platforms: Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and YouTube Music. Shit, if you even got to rip that shit, YouTube to MP4, do it, man!
Shaun: We got your back. We got three full lengths and an EP. We are working on a new EP with a label we’re signed to that we’ll announce here soon, but that’s going to be really exciting stuff, and just stoked to be able to get that out soon.
Empire: Cool. So don’t say the label name, but your deal is in place, and then the new album in the fall, winter, spring?
Shaun: Yeah, the EP should be coming out sometime this year, if all the schedules align and everything, but that’s in the works.
Empire: Cool. Filth tour, what’s after that?
Shaun: Finishing up the EP. Record release cycle, and then hopefully touring in support of that. Whether it’s co-headlining with somebody or doing some more support stuff, we’re down for whatever. Hopefully we can fill up the rest of the year.
You know, touring is hard financially, so while we’re able to still make ends meet on the road, it’s hard to pay all the bills, so we’ve got to go home, stack our bread back up, and then be ready to go back out again.
Empire: I understand. Is this your first time in Pittsburgh?
Shaun: We’ve actually played Preserving. This is at least the fifth time.
We played the DIY room, we played this room, this orientation, we played this room when it was facing the other direction. AJ, the owner, has been good to us. He is a rad dude.
Empire: AJ is great.
Shaun: The record shop and merch store upstairs is sick, I just bought a shirt, a Never Ending Game shirt, because we have to do a laundry soon, and I bought a shirt to extend one more day to get through.

Empire: Anything you guys want to add, anything going on? Shameless plugs?
Shaun: This has been a kind of sick tour, because I think we’ve all got to see family members. Gabe’s dad dropped him off, so we got to see Gabe’s dad. We got to go get breakfast with my mom and some family, I saw my aunt. Cody’s mom let us stay at her crib, and we got to hang out with her and his family. Kyle’s family came out last night and hung out, and that was pretty sick, so it’s been a good time.
Empire: Kyle hasn’t said anything, so tell me about your family coming out and seeing the show.
Kyle: I mean, it was my sister’s first time seeing us live.
Empire: What did she have to say? I mean, I’m sure she knew the style.
Kyle: Oh, yeah, she’s conditioned to it.
Empire: She’s not like a Britney Spears fan at a hardcore show?
Kyle: No, no, she’s by far not a normie, but close to it.
Empire: Thank you, gentlemen. That’s all I have today. Appreciate it, and thanks for the show. It was great; loved it.
Shaun: See you next time.


Before that night at Preserving Underground, I’ll be honest: Inferious was just a name on a show flyer. Another opening band before the acts I actually came to see.
That’s the thing about this level of heavy music. The headliners get the lights, the longer set, and the crowd that’s already warmed up. But the openers? They get twenty-five minutes, a soundcheck that barely counts, and a room full of people who are mostly looking at their phones. Inferious didn’t just overcome that. They incinerated it.
What struck me most, sitting down with Shaun, Gabe, Cody, and Kyle after the show, was how unpretentious they were. No egos. No rock-star posturing. Just four guys from southwest Ohio who’ve been grinding in the same circles, playing the same basement venues, and slowly building something real. They talked about the small venues with the same reverence other bands reserve for stadiums. They shouted out Feverwar. They bought merch from the shop upstairs to make it through one more day on the road.
That’s the part you don’t see from the crowd. The financial grind. The van trouble. The “stack our bread back up” reality of modern touring. And yet, here they were—genuinely stoked to have seen family members at shows, genuinely grateful for AJ at Preserving keeping the doors open for underground bands, and genuinely excited about an upcoming EP they couldn’t even name the label for yet.
Inferious may have a name that suggests something low-status, something sacrificial. But after watching them level a converted church in New Kensington, and after listening to them talk about their scene with the easy confidence of people who have nothing to prove, I think the definition needs an update.
Check them out on all the streaming platforms. Catch them when they roll through your town on the next tour. And for the love of God, show up early.
You never know which opening band is going to blow your doors off.
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Resistor Interview
Interview with Peter Smith, drummer for Resistor
Live photos by: Ron S. of Empire Extreme
Band promo photo credit: Sean Raynor

Long Island’s Resistor have never been content to simply exist within genre lines—they’d rather bulldoze them entirely. The self-described purveyors of “knuckle dragging wika wika core” are poised to unleash their full-length debut BITE THIS on March 27 via Paid Vacation, and if the advance copies circulating are any indication, the 29-minute assault is exactly the kind of no-skip, leave-them-wanting-more experience the quintet has been perfecting since their 2023 So It Begins EP. Built from the ground up with producer Randy LeBoeuf (Kublai Khan TX, The Acacia Strain) and featuring the turntable wizardry of Manhattan’s own Anthony Arce, the album channels the cocky swagger of nu-metal’s heyday through a hardcore filter that’s equal parts brutal and self-aware—a balance that’s become the band’s signature.
Empire Extreme recently caught up with drummer Pete Smith ahead of the album’s release and the band’s upcoming Northeast run with Filth, including a April 30 stop at Pittsburgh’s Preserving Underground. Over the course of the conversation, Smith dove into the story behind the album’s striking clay sculpture artwork, the reality of playing the Gathering of the Juggalos, why cassettes hold a special place in his heart, and how a wrestling ring full of real blood became the setting for one of the band’s most memorable music videos. He also addressed the obvious elephant in the room: whether those Islander jerseys are going to cause problems when the band hits Penguin and Steeler territory.

Empire Extreme – First off to jump right into it. The new album is coming out March 27, and my first question has to be, what is the album artwork?
Pete – Long story short, we’ve been following this theme with our last couple of records. We started with our EPs, so it all began a couple of years ago. We found this cool clown design that just resonated with us. For the last couple of records, we’ve been doing different versions of this clown. For this last one we found a random clown sculpture on Instagram by a local artist. We all saw it, and we fell in love. It’s so cool, it’s off-putting, but like in the best way. We all like it and fit with the music, so we hit the guy up. Initially it wasn’t available, then came to find out he likes our music, and he’s already a fan. Then he was like, “Yeah, you guys can just totally use the artwork” He was super stoked about it. So yeah, it makes a fun story.
Empire Extreme – That’s awesome, I was going to ask you about who the artist was. Can you give us his name, and give him some props?
Pete – Yeah, I believe on Instagram it’s Clay for Brains. His name is Tim. He makes these really cool clay sculptures.
Empire Extreme – Oh, so it’s like a three-dimensional kind of art?
Pete – Yeah, it’s a real sculpture. Our singer [Anthony Grambo] does a lot of graphic design work, so he took the sculpture and made into it what it is on the record.
Empire Extreme – That’s awesome that you are hands-on with that, and plus you got a local guy.

Empire Extreme – Speaking local, you guys are from New York, whereabouts?
Pete – Yeah, so we’re pretty much all based on Long Island, New York, but our DJ [Anthony Arce] lives in Manhattan. We’re all from more western Long Island, and you know. We definitely claim New York. You’ll see us wearing New York stuff, pretty much everywhere you see us. We’re not shy about it, but yeah, Long Island boys for sure.
Empire Extreme – As you know Empire is based in Pittsburgh, and I’ve seen a couple photos of you guys wearing an Islander’s jersey. That’s just not going to go well when the tour hits Pittsburgh. This is deep Penguin and Steelers territory. LOL!
Pete – You know, good thing our singer is not here. He would have a lot of things to say about the Islander’s. For me, it’s the Mets.
Empire Extreme – How about the Jets? We stole Aaron Rodgers now, so…
Pete – Oh, God. Yeah, honestly, my whole family is Jets fans, I haven’t paid attention to football for a long time. It’s very hard as a Jets fan, so you don’t want to pay attention. It’s pretty depressing.

Empire Extreme – All right, back to music stuff. You guys are doing a handful of shows with Filth. Resistor has done some shows with them before, but you seem like kind of buddies. How did that all develop, and are you looking forward to this next handful of shows with them?
Pete – We are all super excited about these shows. We met the guys in Filth. I believe it was summer 2024. That was when we were first gaining any bit of traction. We had finally released our new EP. We were really stoked when we got the first offer with them and it was like an instant connection. We became great friends, and since then, it’s history.
This is going to be our third run together, and this one might be the best one. It has so many good bands on it, a lot of good shows. It’s going to be really awesome.
Empire Extreme – Filth has been one of my favorites in the last couple years. Resistor kind of came onto my radar because of them, plus you were all over my socials. I think it was because of Filth or whatever, but yeah.
Pete – On our second tour together, I actually filled in with Filth on drums, so there’s a bit of it. We’re connected in more ways than one, for sure.


Empire Extreme – Well, your singer, Grambo is a big Limp Bizkit fan. With Filth redoing “Rolling”, is there any chance that you might knock out some type of collaboration or do something silly live?
Pete – We’ve always thrown up the idea of doing some kind of collab, but I’ll leave it at that. I won’t spoil it if we will or we won’t. If it happens, if it happens.
Empire Extreme – All right. Please explain “knuckle dragging wika wika core”.
Pete – “Knuckle dragging wika wika core” at its core, no pun intended is the best way that we can describe what we do. We feel like we’re doing something familiar, but it’s also something that is hard to place into a specific genre because we feel like it can kind of fall under a couple of things. So, we’re like, we got to start thinking of our own thing to call it. And what we landed on was “knuckle dragging wika wika core”. It’s just about crazy, heavy riffs. You know, stuff that makes you want to drag your knuckles across the ground and then you hear the wika, wika, wika, in the background. So, we just put them together.
Empire Extreme – When I first saw that, I just kind of laughed inside. I was like, that nails it right there.
Pete – Yeah, exactly. You know, we’re like, while we are super heavy, with a the “fuck you” [attitude] we also try to be a little goofy and self-aware of where we are. And we’re not taking ourselves too seriously. We are having fun.

Empire Extreme – Can you tell us about working with Randy LeBoeuf (Acacia Stain, Misery Signals, Counterparts, Thy Art is Murder, Every Time I Die, Unity TX, Kublai Khan TX)?
Pete – Randy, I cannot say enough positive things about him? Because he truly is like one of the best at what he does. But yeah, we went to the studio around mid-August last year. And I think up until November, we were writing and recording. We did have a month-long tour in between. But otherwise, we were literally at the studio writing, recording, almost the whole second half of last year. We feel like once it comes out, this record is really going to let people see why we’re taking so long.
Empire Extreme – We got an advance copy here at Empire and I have listened to it probably, I don’t know maybe 10 or 12 times. Just the heaviness of the whole album and it has that groove and a real hip-hop sensibility to it.
Pete – That’s awesome. Do you have a favorite song by any chance? Not to you on the spot first. The one that sticks out to you.
Empire Extreme – I don’t know the names off the top of my head. They all kind of still blend together in my head. But obviously the two singles you put out the videos for. I mean, both of those are slammin’.
Pete – I’m only asking because we are at a weird point where the album’s coming out in two weeks and obviously, we’re going to start playing live and we’re going to start releasing more music videos. So, I just wanted to kind-of get a vibe of what people are enjoying right off the bat.
Empire Extreme – I know exactly what you mean. Let me say this, you know, people say back in the day it used to be albums. How it is now with singles and streaming. We would listen to the whole album without skipping a single track.
Pete – Exactly. That was our main goal with this for sure. We wanted a no skip album. You know, a full listening experience.
Empire Extreme – Yes, it is. Plus, with the entire album clocking in at 29 or 30 minutes long? It’s like, oh, it’s over already.
Pete – Exactly. That’s another thing that we always preached that you never want to overstay your welcome. When it comes to live sets, but also with albums too. We very much want to leave them wanting more. You don’t want to get to the end of an album or a live set and be like, all right, we’ll I wish they were done 10 minutes ago. So, yeah, that’s like our number one thing. We always want to leave people wanting more. That’s a big thing for us.
Empire Extreme – I’ve been in lots of different bands in my life and that was always one of my things. Leave them wanting more because then they’re going to buy the CD, then they’re going to check us out online and even come to another show. We didn’t want to go there and play for an hour and bore them after half an hour.
Pete – I can’t tell you how many bands I’ve watched for the first 20 minutes of the show. Like, this is awesome. I’m so stoked. Even though it could be my favorite band on the planet, I’m watching it for 20, 30 minutes. This is awesome. This rules. And then, you know, minute by minute, you start to feel like, ah, I just wanna go home, this going to go all night.
Empire Extreme – Yeah, you’re looking at your phone and your watch.
Pete – Yes, exactly. I’ve got to speak about it from a showgoer’s perspective or a listener’s perspective, you know? Yeah, that’s a thing that is important to us.

Empire Extreme – You mentioned the videos. Currently there’s the “Dead Soul” and “Petty Fuck” videos. You kind of mentioned there’s more in the works. What’s the story?
Pete – Yeah, I won’t spoil what song it’s for. We did just shoot a video yesterday. That should be coming out the day of the record. It’s going to be really cool. It’s a really funny video. It’s not like the ones we’ve done before. It’s pretty much all a story. It’s very juicy. It’s so ridiculous that you’ll laugh when you see it. It’s not like any video you’ve ever seen before. I can promise you that.
Empire Extreme – I’m looking forward to it.

You guys played the Gathering of the Juggalos this past summer. I’m very familiar with the Juggalo family and have been involved with Psychopathic off and on over the year. It can be intimidating going in knowing that some bands get up there and they are pelted with bottles and booed off stage.
Pete – I want to be as positive as possible, but I’m not going to lie. It wasn’t a great experience. It’s one of those things where I’m happy, we did it. I’m glad to say that we did it. The community, we love the community. The people that were there to see us were super stoked. We love the community and the fans. The time was just weird. We just had to play early, and we also were in the middle of the studio. So, we had to drive from New York to Ohio for one day at a festival and then we drove right back. And things just didn’t line up for us.
Empire Extreme – So it was more of a logistics thing?
Pete – Yeah, I don’t want to say it was a totally bad experience. Just walking around the festival was crazy. You know what I mean? It is certainly site to see. It was a lot of fun. Everybody there was super cool and super nice. I love all the fans. Everyone who we talked to were the coolest people ever. I highly recommend that if you could go you should go once in your life. I would recommend going because it’s so ridiculous. It’s awesome.
Empire Extreme – That moment you walk in the gates of the Gathering. You’re just like, Oh my.
Pete – You know, it’s unlike anything you could truly do on the planet. So, in that sense, it rules. Our guitar player [Anthony Conti] did a Faygo launch competition, which is pretty funny. That probably was the highlight for me. I wish I could say it was like the best thing ever. And there were 5,000 people watching us, but yeah, we can’t win them all.
Empire Extreme – Well, the way they have it set up with the multiple stages and some of them are playing at four o’clock in the morning or whatever.
Pete – That’s the thing. The stage that we played was the second stage out of three. We thought it was like it’s like this big stage near everybody. It was a pretty big stage, but the problem is it’s not near anybody or anything. It was a 10-minute walk away from the main stage and then down a huge hill. If you weren’t near the hill, you couldn’t even see the stage at all. So, no one even knew where we were playing.
Empire Extreme – How was the load into that stage?
Pete – Surprisingly that was the easiest part. I think the only real issue was how early we had to play. Our set time was around four o’clock. We were like “Oh, that’s perfect.” We are right in the middle of day, everyone’s going to be like hanging out. But I think the reality is with the Gathering people aren’t really getting active until a bit later, you know what I mean? It takes until six or seven o’clock and then people start to come out and party. We realized that after the fact, but you know, you live and learn.
That’s why I said it’s like a lot of, a lot of little things. But overall, it was a fun experience, something I’m glad that we did for sure. We just had a couple little of hiccups.

Empire Extreme – To rewind back to the album, I forgot to ask you about the blue vinyl version coming out.
Pete – Yeah, this is our first time doing a vinyl for a full record. We have vinyl up for pre-order now on our website; weareresistor.com. If anyone wants a pre-order vinyl, we got them there. It’s a pretty short run. I think it’s only 300 copies. Once they’re gone, they’re gone. And we will also have them on tour too.
If anyone sees us in person, we’ll have tour vinyls as well.
Empire Extreme – You guys have a date here in Pittsburgh, I think it’s at the end of April or something like that? (Thursday, April 30 at Preserving Underground with Filth, Monochromatic Black, and Inferious)
Pete – Yeah. We’re hitting the Northeast towards the end of the month.
Empire Extreme – What does this band mean to you? I mean, is it a release or therapy, an escape, or a way to pick up chicks or an attempt to get rich?
Pete – Well, I would say if getting rich was my main priority I would have been out of this a long, long time ago. The real reason I’m here is just to make really, really cool music.
My parents are musicians. They’re lifelong musicians. So, it’s something I felt that I was meant to do from a very young age. It’s literally in my blood. My dad is a drummer and my mom’s a singer. That happens to be the two things that I do. You know, it’s a predictable path I went down. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Empire Extreme – Did you start out playing drums when you were a kid or did you start out on another instrument?
Pete – My first real instrument was upright bass. I played that all through elementary, middle, and high school. I played drums here and there as a kid, but I didn’t really have a passion for it. Until maybe when I was starting high school. I joined the band. Well, the original reason was because of this girl. I guess you could say that. It was like she was in the band, and I liked her, so I started playing drums more, and then it all went from there.
Empire Extreme – That’s funny and cool. So, who was your drum idol?
Pete – That’s a tough one. I have a few of them. Do you know the band called Periphery?
Empire Extreme – Yeah, I’m familiar with them.
Pete – Their drummer, his name is Matt Halpern. He was a big, big inspiration. I mean, just his style of playing. It’s a very progressive, very smooth style, very loose, and a lot of ghost notes and cymbals. You know cool little flourishes here and there. I really love that. And the obvious one Joey Jordison of Slipknot. They are one of my favorite bands of all time and hearing his drumming in the band. He had some of the first crazy drumming I’ve heard in my life. That’s an easy one. So, yeah, those two would be the ones if I had to [give] credit to me starting
Empire Extreme – Those are two very prolific drummers. You mentioned Slipknot, and I can hear some of that influence in the new album. The Slipknot rhythm kind of thing. I have it right here in my notes. Limp Bizkit mixed with Slipknot and some punk rock and some newer bands too.
Pete – Yeah, I kind of bring a modern style mixed with some old school style, you know what I mean?
Empire Extreme – Yeah, not to say that it’s all over the place, but it’s pulling from lots of different areas.
Pete – For what it’s worth, it is kind of is all over the place, but in a good way. We wanted it to be a little all over the place. We wanted to be something that, while it’s familiar, it’s something that people haven’t heard before.

Empire Extreme – I have kind of a handful of oddball weird questions, and you can answer them as you like.
Pete – Yeah, sure.
Empire Extreme – When you guys are driving in the van from show to show, who controls the music in the vehicle?
Pete – My personal rule is whoever is driving. When I’m driving, I will not break that rule. Otherwise, it depends on who’s driving. Some of the people in the van are more anal about their music being played. For me I won’t have it any other way. I gotta focus, you know what I mean? I need to have my own music or a podcast or something like that to keep me focused on the road, you know.
Empire Extreme – OK next one. Are you prepared for a zombie apocalypse or AI becoming aware? And is there a difference between the two?
Pete – I think I would take a zombie apocalypse over AI to be honest. But I think the second one is unfortunately way more likely one that happens. I’m probably not prepared for that. I don’t think any of us are. I think I’m probably completely fucked when that drops. At least with AI, I’m kind of already mentally prepared for that one.


Empire Extreme – Here is another silly one. If a cartoon character was to join Resistor, what cartoon character would it be?
Pete – Oh, that’s, a really good question. Mm-hmm. Maybe Beavis and Butt-Head, well one of those two.
Empire Extreme – That’s a great answer.
Pete – I feel like they would like sitting in our van, I feel like it would work. You know? The conversations are all over the place.
Empire Extreme – They’d fit right in, is what you’re saying?
Pete – Yeah, exactly.

Empire Extreme – Here’s another stupid one. Every time you walk into a room and a song plays, what would that song be?
Pete – It’s probably The Rock theme song. That is completely it. Or something really goofy or cheesy. I can’t take myself too seriously, to be honest, something along those lines.
Empire Extreme – You mentioned The Rock. One of my questions that I kind of skipped over was I’ve seen several of your social media posts and whoever is responding from your band has used wrestler memes several times. There was Stone Cold one and a Rock one. So, are you guys wrestling fans and who, what, why, where?
Pete – I would say our singer. He was the most into it out of any of us. I know he was into the old-school early 2000s era. We have a Resistor 3:16 shirt, like the classic Stone Cold shirt. I don’t know if you’ve seen the Come Mierda video, but we literally did it inside a wrestling ring with the real wrestlers. They were just beating the shit out of each other while we’re playing. There is a scene where one of the guys breaks a full light tube over to the other guy’s head and there’s blood everywhere. It’s all real. Nothing was faked. Its all real blood. We had to tarp off the whole thing, it was ridiculous, but a lot of fun. It is my favorite music video we have shot. The actual act of shooting it was so fun because we had a bunch of people literally pretending it was an actual wrestling event. The wrestlers had to do their walk-ins while we were playing and beat the shit out of each other. I also didn’t realize how bouncy a wrestling ring is. When you’re trying to play drums, you bounce and it is all over the place while smashing each other on the floor. It’s no wonder they are jumping from 10 feet off the ground. Makes sense. It was literally like going into a bounce house, but it had a metal floor.
Empire Extreme – I got a couple more stupid ones here. Have you ever gone to spring break?
Pete – No no. I’m not a party person. I’m very much more of a sit at home and play video games guy.
Empire Extreme – Last one, and I’ll get out of here and let you get back to your life. What is your preference. Vinyl, cassette, CDs, 8-tracks, download, stream?
Pete – Okay, so for obvious convenience’s sake streaming is great. But I don’t think it’s the best way to listen to music by any means. Nor do I think it’s good for artists, you know, Spotify and all that. You know the problems in the streaming industry. But honestly, I would love to go back to more cassettes. There’s a certain nostalgia that comes with listening to a tape. Listening to a CD still feels modern. But there is just something I like about it. I remember riding around in the car with my dad as a kid, and he’d always listen to cassettes, and he’d put me onto different bands. He had Rage Against The Machine tapes, and all these different bands. So, I think cassettes would probably be my number one, just for nostalgia purposes.
Empire Extreme – With the cassettes it kind of forces you to listen to the whole album. Skipping was kinda difficult trying to figure out where the next song starts.
Pete – Yeah, exactly. And similar, at least with vinyl you can lift it, but you’re more encouraged to listen to it from front to back, rather than just skipping through.
Empire Extreme – To wrap up is there anything you want to add? Any self-promotion?
Pete – Well, I’ll just end it by shouting out the band.
WeAreResistor on all platforms. Our new album, Bite This, drops on March 27, which I believe is less than two weeks away now, so that’s pretty crazy. But yeah, we’re streaming on all the platforms. We’ve got pre-orders on our website, weareresistor.com.
Empire Extreme – Awesome, great. Thank you for your time. Hopefully I get to check you guys out when you come through Pittsburgh here next month.
Pete – Yeah, I’m so looking forward to it.
Resistor is:
Anthony Grambo [vocals]
Anthony Conti [guitar]
Ian Schneider [bass]
Anthony Arce [turntables]
Peter Smith [drums]
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